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SCF: Vegas Golden Knights vs. Carolina Hurricanes

Bender said:
He had 12 during the regular season.

*Edit: Didn't realise he wasn't playing with him then. Marner gave him a good pass on the first one but that was just power forward magic shaking off a check and going top shelf. Then his second was all Howden. It's not just Marner, at least not from what I saw tonight.
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Half of them or so - Marner did not have an assist.
During the play by play tonight, they commented on how Howden had been helped by learning give and go with Marner.
During his Cup media scrum, Howden credited Marner with helping him and how blown away he was by seeing his skill up close

During the season, Marner was moved to center when Karlsson got hurt after 14 games.
It hurt Marner some offensively according to his GM because he was learning a new position in games. He was a ppg center

When Karlsson returned earlier in the playoffs, Marner moved to his right and Howden his left. That is when that line took off. Marner was in his offensive comfort zone on right wing. Karlsson is a very good 2nd line center. Howden got more ice time and blossomed

When Stone returned, they didn't disrupt that line. They put Stone with Hertl on the 3rd line
 
Bender said:
Bad challenge by Torts but crazy stutter step by Ghost and good shot by Jarvis.
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I think there was confusion about what the refs called.
The broadcast said something about the goal being disallowed by the refs due to goaltender interference. "Goaltender interference" was on the broadcast video screen I saw.
But there wasn't goaltender interference so they appealed
In fact, the goal was disallowed because the ref lost sight of it.
As I understand it (& I could be wrong), misinformation led to Torts making the challenge
So they got screwed over with that confusion.

They have a real series now and Vegas lost dman McNabb
 
cw said:
I think there was confusion about what the refs called.
The broadcast said something about the goal being disallowed by the refs due to goaltender interference. "Goaltender interference" was on the broadcast video screen I saw.
But there wasn't goaltender interference so they appealed
In fact, the goal was disallowed because the ref lost sight of it.
As I understand it (& I could be wrong), misinformation led to Torts making the challenge
So they got screwed over with that confusion.

They have a real series now and Vegas lost dman McNabb
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Many on the panel said the challenge made no sense. Not only was the play whistled but Barbashev pushed Freddie's glove. The ref was also very emphatic about what he saw. I wouldn't rely on commentary in the moment to try and decipher what went on in Torts' head, but I thought it was a bad challenge right off the hop.
 
cw said:
Half of them or so - Marner did not have an assist.
During the play by play tonight, they commented on how Howden had been helped by learning give and go with Marner.
During his Cup media scrum, Howden credited Marner with helping him and how blown away he was by seeing his skill up close

During the season, Marner was moved to center when Karlsson got hurt after 14 games.
It hurt Marner some offensively according to his GM because he was learning a new position in games. He was a ppg center

When Karlsson returned earlier in the playoffs, Marner moved to his right and Howden his left. That is when that line took off. Marner was in his offensive comfort zone on right wing. Karlsson is a very good 2nd line center. Howden got more ice time and blossomed

When Stone returned, they didn't disrupt that line. They put Stone with Hertl on the 3rd line
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Its good that he learned from Marner. I'm just saying what I saw tonight was a big guy who buried two that a smaller or less tenacious forward wouldn't. That second move was all on his own.
 
Bender said:
Its good that he learned from Marner. I'm just saying what I saw tonight was a big guy who buried two that a smaller or less tenacious forward wouldn't. That second move was all on his own.
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He deserves full credit for both those goals. Nice lob by Marner on the first but Howden did the brunt of the special work.

There has been a common play by Marner where he zips the puck into an area near the blue paint and his teammate redirects it in. I've seen recent goals by Karlsson, Stone & Howden that way. Marner puts it right on the tape and it is so fast, their opponent has almost no chance. Those ones I would give more credit to Marner for than the Howden goal tonight (that was mostly Howden)
 
Bender said:
He had 12 during the regular season.

*Edit: Didn't realise he wasn't playing with him then. Marner gave him a good pass on the first one but that was just power forward magic shaking off a check and going top shelf. Then his second was all Howden. It's not just Marner, at least not from what I saw tonight.
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Howden was hurt this season - missed a bunch of games. He had 23 goals last season. He was a 1st round pick. Scored five when they won a Cup in 2023. Marner is the smallest player on the team at 6' 180 - it is a big team.
Take Howden's first pick talent (& size). Put him on a line with Karlsson & Marner ... he's going to produce
Marner's 4 shorthanded points leads the playoffs - at least two of them were feeds to Howden - one an OT game winner


From the deadline, the team was transformed:
Added 4th line center Dowd (replaced Roy lost in Marner trade)
Added Rasmus Andersson (partially replaced Pietrangelo - career ending injury) - now they have a decent top-4
Adin Hill hurt nearly all season. Carter Hart hurt for many months finally healthy in April - finally have a decent healthy starter
Coaching change
Karlsson returns from 6 months off - Marner moves from center to natural position on RW
Stone returned from injury (not out that long), went on 3rd line to rejuvenate Hertl.

Things happen for a reason. McCrimmon did a masterful job.
Fixed starting goaltending, improved top 4. improved lines 2-4 and hired Tortorella
 
Personally to some extent I think Howden is just blacking out on a great run. I don't think this is replicable and logical. You don't turn into equivalent of a 60 goal scorer just because you have Marner on your wing.
 
Anyway, it's been a fantastic couple of games. It's easy to root for Staal. Stone just scores big goals; he's hard to watch but always comes through. Marner's cooking... FFS. Hertl has some important points. Gostisbere is better than I knew. Jarvis with the OT winner with his buddies in the building.

Watch if you're not, it's been great.
 
cabber24 said:
Anyway, it's been a fantastic couple of games. It's easy to root for Staal. Stone just scores big goals; he's hard to watch but always comes through. Marner's cooking... FFS. Hertl has some important points. Gostisbere is better than I knew. Jarvis with the OT winner with his buddies in the building.

Watch if you're not, it's been great.
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Game 2 was arguably a snoozefest until Stankoven scored. Then it was non-stop action!
 
I mean the goaltending hasn't been great but I don't see how this ends as an indictment of the Leafs. He was a good player in Toronto. This is nothing like anything we saw out of him in Toronto. He had to move on for this to happen. The only thing it highlights for me is that guys can take next steps in the right circumstance. It's up to the organization to either help our remaining players or not.
 
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