Rantanen Signs 6 years, $9.25 AAV

[Peter D.]

Hmmm...

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1178072277923049473

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1178072209287462918

 

[BrownRolo]

So are our players just really greedy?

 

[Kin]

.130 per point. So on the low end of this year's market but still broadly within the mainstream.

 

[Kin]

So are our players just really greedy?

I genuinely don't see how this deal makes anyone's deal look bad other than maybe Marner(and even then I think this is broadly right there). So, no, nothing particularly greedy about the Leafs players.

 

[Zee]

Exactly what Marner's deal should have been. 9.25-9.5 over 6 years

 

[Kin]

Exactly what Marner's deal should have been. 9.25-9.5 over 6 years

Even if that were true, imagine injecting so much negativity into the perception of one of the brightest young players in Leafs history over 1.7-1.9% of the cap.

 

[Bender]

Exactly what Marner's deal should have been. 9.25-9.5 over 6 years

Even if that were true, imagine injecting so much negativity into the perception of one of the brightest young players in Leafs history over 1.7-1.9% of the cap.

That's honestly a really good point.

 

[Manson]

Exactly what Marner's deal should have been. 9.25-9.5 over 6 years

Even if that were true, imagine injecting so much negativity into the perception of one of the brightest young players in Leafs history over 1.7-1.9% of the cap.

Could be the difference between getting the pieces they need or not actually. But what do cups matter so long as Marners got a couple extra mil in his pocket

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Again I ask, why can anyone be so upset at someone for negotiating a better deal for themselves? If I negotiate a worse salary for myself than my coworker, that's on me, not my coworker.

 

[Andy007]

Again I ask, why can anyone be so upset at someone for negotiating a better deal for themselves? If I negotiate a worse salary for myself than my coworker, that's on me, not my coworker.

I think it's a simple answer: there is a salary cap. People are upset because "overpaying" for players can make it harder to compete. Whether said player is "overpaid" is another matter, obviously.

 

[Kin]

Could be the difference between getting the pieces they need or not actually. But what do cups matter so long as Marners got a couple extra mil in his pocket

Anything in the world "could" be the difference but, no, the difference between what Marner got and what  Rantanen got does not reflect the difference between getting "pieces". It's barely the difference of two minimum salary players. At best it's the difference of one fairly low paid player and if Dubas can't overcome that then he isn't the right guy for the job.

 

[Bates]

Could be the difference between getting the pieces they need or not actually. But what do cups matter so long as Marners got a couple extra mil in his pocket

Anything in the world "could" be the difference but, no, the difference between what Marner got and what  Rantanen got does not reflect the difference between getting "pieces". It's barely the difference of two minimum salary players. At best it's the difference of one fairly low paid player and if Dubas can't overcome that then he isn't the right guy for the job.

It could also be the difference between an established backup goalie and tge dumpster pickups we have used for the last year. You might be the only guy I have ever heard think that overpaying salaries don't really matter in a Cap world.

 

[herman]

Overpaying this amount only really matters if it?s overpaying a middling or intangibles-only player.

On the aggregate, we are slightly overpaying Marner and underpaying Nylander. Every ELC player that makes it through this depth chart is a severe underpay. Barrie is on a heavy discount.

 

[Zee]

Could be the difference between getting the pieces they need or not actually. But what do cups matter so long as Marners got a couple extra mil in his pocket

Anything in the world "could" be the difference but, no, the difference between what Marner got and what  Rantanen got does not reflect the difference between getting "pieces". It's barely the difference of two minimum salary players. At best it's the difference of one fairly low paid player and if Dubas can't overcome that then he isn't the right guy for the job.

It could also be the difference between an established backup goalie and tge dumpster pickups we have used for the last year. You might be the only guy I have ever heard think that overpaying salaries don't really matter in a Cap world.

It just makes things more difficult on the Leafs this season. Had Marner come in at 9.25 for instance, the Leafs would be able to accrue cap space as the season goes on instead of having to rely on LTIR and having to use less than 23 men on the roster to make the cap shenanigans work.

Sure 1.5M more doesn't sound like alot, but overpay 2-3 guys that much relative to what other GMs are doing and you've effectively boxed yourself in a corner.  Let's hope Leafs win the Cup in the next 2-4 years so we can look back and laugh at all this.

 

[disco]

Now that the dust has settled I'd say that having two $11-million contracts on the books when negotiating Marner pulled it up a million. Raantanen having star McKinnon there making what he is kept it reasonable. Tampa, Boston and Colorado are all teams that had good internal situations before RFA contracts. Leafs just had three at the same time after signing a big fish UFA.

 

[Kin]

Again I ask, why can anyone be so upset at someone for negotiating a better deal for themselves? If I negotiate a worse salary for myself than my coworker, that's on me, not my coworker.

Well, like I said elsewhere. It's in large part because so many fans seem incapable of enjoying the game apart from taking on the role of pretend-GM.

Plus there's just the simple truth that they've managed to get people to be rooting for the success of a massive business enterprise. Now, they have a vested interest in getting people to think it's not a business. It's why they do all of the "The Leafs Tradition of Excellence" and "The Maple Leafs are about Glory and Honor and Pride and..." and all of the nonsense in their brought to you by Mastercard Youtube videos. But the more and more they can keep people believing in all that(and castigating players for pursuing their own financial interests) vs. having a traditional business/client relationship the easier it is to keep the suckers fleeced.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Again I ask, why can anyone be so upset at someone for negotiating a better deal for themselves? If I negotiate a worse salary for myself than my coworker, that's on me, not my coworker.

I think it's a simple answer: there is a salary cap. People are upset because "overpaying" for players can make it harder to compete. Whether said player is "overpaid" is another matter, obviously.

But that doesn't make Marner greedy. Marner fought for what he thought he deserved. The Leafs gave it to him. If you feel the Leafs overpaid, fine...but what I'm taking issue with is people turning on Marner for feeling he's owed what he received.

 

[Zee]

Again I ask, why can anyone be so upset at someone for negotiating a better deal for themselves? If I negotiate a worse salary for myself than my coworker, that's on me, not my coworker.

Well, like I said elsewhere. It's in large part because so many fans seem incapable of enjoying the game apart from taking on the role of pretend-GM.

Plus there's just the simple truth that they've managed to get people to be rooting for the success of a massive business enterprise. Now, they have a vested interest in getting people to think it's not a business. It's why they do all of the "The Leafs Tradition of Excellence" and "The Maple Leafs are about Glory and Honor and Pride and..." and all of the nonsense in their brought to you by Mastercard Youtube videos. But the more and more they can keep people believing in all that(and castigating players for pursuing their own financial interests) vs. having a traditional business/client relationship the easier it is to keep the suckers fleeced.

It's not one or the other. I can enjoy watching and rooting for the Leafs while at the same time pointing out that other GMs have convinced similar talent players to take less money.  Given the cap and the reality of the situation, it's not unreasonable to suggest the Leafs will have to jump through hoops to keep under the cap this season especially when Hyman and Dermott are back. It puts the team at a disadvantage with respect to other teams.

 

[Strangelove]

I don't think Marner is greedy. I think is overpaid by about $2 million per year. Dubas messed up.