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2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular

Kin

Kin

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Not much to say here, I suppose. A missed season may actually work in the Raptors favor. I'm down on the team slightly because of their draft day decision but, well, in for a penny in for a pound as they say.

As to the labour front, people should be reading Malcolm Gladwell on the ridiculousness of the NBA's stance:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics

I tried to make these arguments during the NHL lockout but, well, I'm no Malcolm Gladwell.
 
Saint Nik said:
Not much to say here, I suppose. A missed season may actually work in the Raptors favor. I'm down on the team slightly because of their draft day decision but, well, in for a penny in for a pound as they say.

As to the labour front, people should be reading Malcolm Gladwell on the ridiculousness of the NBA's stance:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics

I tried to make these arguments during the NHL lockout but, well, I'm no Malcolm Gladwell.
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Those were superb articles.  This gladwell guy is a beautiful thinker.
 
princedpw said:
I just googled "the tipping point" by gladwell.  Has anyone read it?
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I am actually reading it right now. It's not as humourous as his online stuff, at least not yet. However, it's an excellent read. Well written, and interesting. I've only just started, but it'll be one I don't put down till I'm done, I suspect.
 
Mordac said:
princedpw said:
I just googled "the tipping point" by gladwell.  Has anyone read it?
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I am actually reading it right now. It's not as humourous as his online stuff, at least not yet. However, it's an excellent read. Well written, and interesting. I've only just started, but it'll be one I don't put down till I'm done, I suspect.
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I'd echo that recommendation and throw one in for "Outliers" also by Gladwell.
 
Saint Nik said:
As to the labour front, people should be reading Malcolm Gladwell on the ridiculousness of the NBA's stance:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics
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Quote
"...The players are greedy."

To which one  can say.... the owners are 'evil'.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
"...The players are greedy."

To which any fan or player can say.... the owners are 'evil'.
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Yeah, I don't think using that sentence(and using ... only applies if you're not quoting a completed sentence, which that is) is in any way representative of the meaning of that sentence. This is what Gladwell actually wrote:

A man buys a basketball team as insurance on a real estate project, flips the franchise to a Russian billionaire when he wins the deal, and then ? as both parties happily count their winnings ? what lesson are we asked to draw? The players are greedy.
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It's a criticism on the inherent ridiculousness of the owner's position. Not an endorsement of it.
 
Nice little gesture by Danny Granger, he took out all the arena workers for dinner and paid for everything. 

On a lockout note- apparently things turned sour when KG entered negotiations. 
 
Erndog said:
On a lockout note- apparently things turned sour when KG entered negotiations.
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Or, if you listen to Amar'e Stoudemire, it's all Robert Sarver's fault.
 
Erndog said:
You don't think STAT has any hard feelings that he wasn't re-signed?
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Not really. I think Amar'e wanted out after seeing the way Sarver cut costs there in the last few years. I think it's a minor miracle that Steve Nash hasn't demanded out.
 
Saint Nik said:
As a comparison, for Paul Allen, $5 million is the equivalent of $10 to someone worth $30,000. Would you hold up an entire sports league for $10? In fact, for Paul Allen, the entire stated losses of the league, $300 million,
would be the equivalent of around $630 to someone worth
$30,000.
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This was in a Grantland piece on the economics of the
lockout. It sort of blew my mind.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-
players-cave
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Wow, just wow.  Guess it looks like a lose-lose situation for
the players.  And many out there still probably  think the
players are to blame with their greedy fat contractual demands.  The above-mentioned article (link) clarifies the
situation thoroughly.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
NBA players...underpaid...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/2011/11/10/grange_underpaid/
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While I'm certainly not a fan of the owners on this one, ummm, NO, Grange, they aren't underpaid.  In fact a good number of them are considerably overpaid for their actual abilities.  While a team might be willing to pay James a little more than otherwise, it's telling when Kobe wouldn't sign in Europe because noone would give him the money he wanted.
 
L K said:
While I'm certainly not a fan of the owners on this one, ummm, NO, Grange, they aren't underpaid.  In fact a good number of them are considerably overpaid for their actual abilities.  While a team might be willing to pay James a little more than otherwise, it's telling when Kobe wouldn't sign in Europe because noone would give him the money he wanted.
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Look past the attention grabbing headline and it's just a pretty simple and true statement about what James got as a free agent/what most players get as free agents vs. what they'd get in a free market.

It's basically someone imagining that pro sports leagues were run like basically every other business instead of the weird little cabal they are.
 
Potvin29 said:
Tentative agreement reached: http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=381316
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Interesting that they manage to start their season right with their big TV broadcast special on Christmas Day.  Hopefully Colangelo doesn't do anything stupid with the roster now, draft high again this year and reap the rewards of lots of cap space + Val + new draft pick next year.
 
I'm interested to see if the owners got a hard cap.

Hopefully this will mean Eric Smith and Paul Jones will stop talking about hockey now.
 
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